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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 12:46 am |
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This is a Spanish Tarot with gothic/vampire themed art.The four suites are crosses,masks,flowers and butterflys.The pips aren't illustrated.It's not a deep deck though some of the art is cool.These are some Pics of the ones I like.The House of Tarot currently have them in stock if your in the US.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 12:47 am |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 12:48 am |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 03:22 am |
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it's the first Vampire deck I ever purchased; this is a really fun deck, the artistry is beautiful, the theme is eloquently expressed and it's very sexy. Victoria Frances is a wonderful artist.
The pips aren't dynamically illustrative, but I'm glad she didn't feel the need to fall back on a RWS subtext to in order to satisfy the expecations of the Tarot establishment.
The black roses, butterflies, masks and crosses are a heartfelt expression of her vision and appropriate to the spirit of the nocturnal world she has created.
These symbols are honest and spontaneous.
I could easily read with these cards like a dark mirror of a Marseille deck, which is not so innocent to begin with.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 05:16 am |
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Papageno357 wrote: it's the first Vampire deck I ever purchased
Bite your tongue!!!
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 06:58 am |
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:P:P:P:P:P
LOL
and the next vampire deck I'll buy is by Robert Place
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oh that's right......I forgot about the Bohemian Gothic
actually that's the second deck, but technically the Favole is still the first....Bohemian Gothic is second and I'm still waiting for that to arrive....although strictly speaking it's not a purely vampire themed deck per se
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 08:02 am |
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I'm curious if this was actually conceived as a tarot, or if it's one of those deals where an artist (or someone) selects from an existing body of work and attempts as best they can to match illustrations originally created for other purposes to tarot cards. I do recognize that Victoria Frances is a very skillful practitioner of this sort of fantasy art, but as tarot, many of the cards I've seen seem to be a bit (sometimes quite a bit) of a stretch.
I'm definitely looking forward to the Place deck.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:18 pm |
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ahclem wrote: I'm curious if this was actually conceived as a tarot, or if it's one of those deals where an artist (or someone) selects from an existing body of work and attempts as best they can to match illustrations originally created for other purposes to tarot cards. I do recognize that Victoria Frances is a very skillful practitioner of this sort of fantasy art, but as tarot, many of the cards I've seen seem to be a bit (sometimes quite a bit) of a stretch.
I'm definitely looking forward to the Place deck.
I admit it's the latter, but in this case it just happens to work (speaking strictly for myself) whether I look at this as a Tarot or Oracle deck. there was some discussion about how the Magician and High Priestess cards should have been swapped etc. etc. and the suits don't adhere to tradition either, but somehow the spontaneous and off-centered quality of this deck just works for me. it's not a defensible argument but the bottom line is, I think it's fun and I'm drawn to it instinctively. maybe I'm just in a good mood.
I'll take the Favole over any number of others where the art is forced into conformity and what we're offered is a mediocre (at best) Tarot deck with no depth and boring superficial cliches.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:19 pm |
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I guess I'm the lone wolf here, I find vampire decks to be tacky and gimmicky so wouldn't buy them.
Nice artwork on some of these Favole cards but I consider the whole genre to be silliness personified.
[Ducks damaged fruit. . . .and exits, saying "Bite me!"]
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:32 pm |
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point taken and as I've said before, this is a first for me........maybe I just feel the need to have something really fun and frivolous to play with and get away from the seriousness of it all for a change ;)
it can't be Ingmar Bergman or Greenaway all the time..........sometimes I like some Tod Browning and horror flicks too 
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 02:43 pm |
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Papageno357 wrote: maybe I just feel the need to have something really fun and frivolous to play with and get away from the seriousness of it all for a change
Yeah, that's how it starts: first the goofy cut and paste Shmothic deck and cheesy Spanish vampires, and then you'll be hunting down every Doreen Virtue deck until you're fully blooded.
It's a slippery slope.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 03:31 pm |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 03:56 pm |
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something is wrong with this board........2 replies never got posted
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 05:16 pm |
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Papageno357 wrote: something is wrong with this board........2 replies never got posted
You're a vampire now, it won't allow you to post. See what happens?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 05:27 pm |
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it's all your fault, you and Doreen Virtue
must be an unforseen consequence of the Queen of Aspartame and Tooth Whitener
the board went into anaphylactic shock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 07:33 pm |
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quid wrote:
Papageno357 wrote: something is wrong with this board........2 replies never got posted
You're a vampire now, it won't allow you to post. See what happens?
Hold a mirror up to your monitor and see if you can see your replies in it.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 08:35 pm |
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"mirror mirror on the wall..........."
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27th, 2007 10:17 pm |
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This may be my last post....I ordered the Favole deck.
Oh-h-h-h, I feel myself fading.....
Wait a minute, I wouldn't FEEL it, ya'll just won't be able to see me. Until it's too late...
he-he-he (evil, manical laughter)
I was wrong, I feel the HUNGER for BLOOD as I turn into a vampire!
Or does that only happen once I get the deck?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 12:53 am |
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quid wrote: I guess I'm the lone wolf here, I find vampire decks to be tacky and gimmicky so wouldn't buy them.
Nice artwork on some of these Favole cards but I consider the whole genre to be silliness personified.
ditto
mythos:)
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 01:49 am |
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mythos wrote: quid wrote: I guess I'm the lone wolf here, I find vampire decks to be tacky and gimmicky so wouldn't buy them.
Nice artwork on some of these Favole cards but I consider the whole genre to be silliness personified
Likewise I'm usualy not attracted to vampire themed decks but this one is really quite mild.It's gothic art with Wiccan,Christian and Vampire like qualitys.Softley erotic,dreamy and not a lot of blood......
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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Thanks for posting the scans...:) I think I am going to love this deck. Mine arrived a few days ago, but I have opended it yet.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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Thanks for posting the scans...:) I think I am going to love this deck. Mine arrived a few days ago, but I have opended it yet.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 12:34 am |
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...just back back from xmas travelin' and read all your vampire chattin'....LOL Last edited on Sat Dec 29th, 2007 12:45 am by acucent
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 08:12 pm |
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Very little info, but it appears that these are also available in a much larger format: ebay item: 250201376265
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29th, 2007 09:05 pm |
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ahclem wrote: Very little info, but it appears that these are also available in a much larger format
A bigger bite?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 04:48 am |
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ahclem wrote: Very little info, but it appears that these are also available in a much larger format: ebay item: 250201376265
I think this listing is clearer
Item number: 280186890356
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31st, 2007 05:08 am |
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One of the fellas in the bottom pic below the other two ... the face second from the left on the top row ... looks suspiciously like Brendan Fraser:shock:!
mythos:)
P.S. I still haven't picked up my new glasses;)
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Hi, I'm new here.
Does anybody know which suits in this deck correspond to the traditional Tarot suits?
According to someone on amazon,
Crosses=Wands
Masks=Pentacles
Flowers and Roses=Cups
Butterflies=Swords.
but elsewhere on the net, someone said "Looking at them I figured that the crosses must be swords, the masks wands, the flowers represent cups and the butterflies pentacles." The first interpretation sounds like it may be right to me, because I would guess that butterflies would represent the element of air like the swords, flowers could be symbolic of emotions like the cups are, masks could be like pentacles in that they could represent the material world, but I'm not sure about the crosses. I can also draw similarities between other suits, so the more i think about it, the more confused I become.
Perhaps they are not even meant to correspond to the traditional suits, but if this were the case, one would think there would be a book available to explain it.
I haven't received my deck yet, so I haven't been able to study them, but I was interested to know what your views are.
Thanks.
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OK I have their permission. her eis the full discussion; I will add to it as others do so....
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I initially thought I would use butterfly for the swords. My reasons were simple. I love butterflies. And the swords are my favorite suit. To me swords are air, butterflies fly in the air. To me the swords/air suit also represents transformation, but after thinking a bit more I said well duhhhh so do the other suits. So, I set the butterflies aside. Move on the the black rose suit. My first thought with these was the suit of cups. For obvious reasons actually, emotions. But then, quickly following that thought was that the cups are also a very spiritual suit, so maybe the cross would be better suited. The black rose could represent the pentacle/disk suit because well because they grow in the earth. Or die when disconnected from it. So, maybe I will keep the crosses as the cups and the black roses as the pentacles. Moving on to fire………what???? Masks as fire? Hmmmmm, well maybe Masks can be the air. How can masks be air, well they cover our face….and our face is our head and inside our head is our brain where our thought processes take place. That was my thought process. Perhaps they can hide our thoughts. Not sure if I really like this but it makes a little more sense than the masks representing fire. But that means that Butterflies would then be fire. That would burn their pretty little wings. Fire transforms though. It cleanses and brings change. So, while I am not crazy about the idea, the Butterflies could do all right here. Those were the thought processes behind my decisions, does anyone have any better ideas or do these seem to make sense?
Crosses/cups.
Black rose/pentacles.
Butterflies/fire/wands
Masks/air/swords.
Then someone posted the link to the thread I already posted.
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Thanks for that ****, so according to Umbrae who said according to something else:
Mariposas = Air = Cups = butterflies
Mascaras = Earth = Pentacles = masks
Flores = Swords = Water = flowers
Cruces = Wands = Fire= cross
I don't think I can do the air is cups and swords is water thing, that would throw me entirely off the boat. Not sure why the masks would be earth either. Flowers I can see sort of being water but not as swords/water. My brain is hurting.
Me:
I have been having this issue for ages. The only good thing for ME is that as I read by images, it doesn't make that much difference... but still, it really is confusing. I do wish that when people create a deck like this, they would include that kind of info.....
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I think if it was me I would have the have the butterflies as Swords Air - my thinking butterflies can symbolise transformation and our thinking can do that for us.
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****, I at first liked the butterflies for air, and thought of the transformation element too, but how would you explain putting the masks as fire then? I mean there has to be some sort of logic to it, or at least an "idea" of how the other would fit.
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Hmmmm
Mariposas = Air = Cups
Mascaras = Earth = Pentacles
Flores = Swords = Water
Cruces = Wands = Fire
One deck - the Trevisan Crystal - has Swords as water and it just seems odd. I have enough trouble with whether the Swords are Air or Fire- let alone bring water into it.
Air in Cups- our cups are empty?
Crosses as Wands
Fire seems Gothic correct.
Masks as Earth Coins seems fair.
The Butterflies/Mariposas are on snowy landscape- that says to me Air North Swords
The Roses/Flores water East Cups (the shape is cuplike for starters even if it has thorns that draw blood)
The Black Rose by Jamie Mallinson
She sits at her mirror,
brushing her hair,
dressed in black velvet,
with just the right flair.
She puts on her make up with ever an ease,
ready for the night,
ready to please.
She picks up her flower and closes the door,
its sunset this evening,
who could ask for more?
She walks through the tall grass with a graceful pose,
she bends down to lay her perfect black rose. (ON a grave)
Actually Tarot Garden says the images were from a stock of illustrations not particular to Tarot. Maybe that’s the problem- like it better than the BG.
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OK, I think I have decided what I am going to use:
Crosses/pentacles Well they do put them on graves don't they?
Black rose/cups As **** said they are shaped like cups.
Butterflies/air/swords because this was my first preference and I just like it that way
Masks/fire/wands because in the morning….. Urghhhh, I need a reason for why I am putting this here or it will drive me crazy. Off to think.
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I read the Favole as :
Butterflies- swords. My gut reaction is that butterflies inhabit the realm of air, so that would be swords for me.
The Black rose- cups as emotions and roses work together.
Crosses -wands -traditionally crosses are made from wood so that one wasn't too big a leap for me.
Masks-pentacles ...this was more of a default than a perfect fit, but I can live with masks as being tangible items people can wear and I think of pentacles as relating to the physical. ..
arghhhhhh it is still a stretch ...
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Thanks. There are so many different ways of interpreting it, so I think seeing as it doesn't give an explanation, that it is up to each individual reader to decide for themselves.
I have come to the conclusion that the only reason the four suits were chosen is that those four things showed up a lot in her art, so they used them rather than have her to create new artwork featuring wands, cups, etc.
I really like the image used for "The Fool"... the discarded masks seem to speak to me in relation to the meaning of that card, but some of the others don't match up so well. I wish there was a book to go with it, explaining the images, but as they were not created with the Tarot in mind, that's not gonna happen z The artwork is exquisite though.
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anyone know where I can find this deck (must ship to sweden) ?
I saw it on ebay for abou 30USD , I wonder if there is anywhere I can find it cheeper?
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I got mine from closeup.de. I imagine they ship to Sweden....
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didnt understand the language on that page :)
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It's German. Try e-mailing ? I bet if you e-mail in English they will answer - I don't know about Swedish.... ;)
Or - it's available here. - most sellers will ship anywhere....
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