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papoon Member 
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Today I was quite delighted to receive (as a very generous gift) a copy of the Vivien Kabar Tarot (Kabar Tarot Kártya & Könyv), a recently published tarot and book set from Hungary. It is a majors deck based on a series of large-scale tarot paintings by the writer and artist, Vivien Kabar. The imagery is non-traditional and quite imaginative (and often quite powerful). Interestingly, the paintings are not constrained to a particular aspect ratio, varying from tall and narrow to wide. As the scans below show, the fairly large cards are somewhat wider than usual to accommodate those paintings in landscape format. Some cards:  Another and the card back:  The set is available from Alexandra Online here (although if you can figure out how to order from them, you're more resourceful than I). |
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skad1 Member 
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I tried, but couldn't quite guess my way thru. If anyone gets an email address, let me know. |
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nicole Member 
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The artwork is fantastic but why is the Wheel so creepy? Does the artist explain why she used certain images with each card? N. |
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gregory Administrator 
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skad1 wrote: I tried, but couldn't quite guess my way thru. If anyone gets an email address, let me know.online@alexandra.hu  But I am not trying any MORE till I get back here in October ! |
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papoon Member
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gregory wrote:skad1 wrote:I tried, but couldn't quite guess my way thru. If anyone gets an email address, let me know. The only Hungarian web translator I found is none too good, but it sort of indicates that inquiries about international orders could be sent to: kulfold@alexandra.hu The artwork is fantastic but why is the Wheel so creepy? There is a booklet with a couple of pages about each card, but it's in Hungarian, so not much (i.e., any) help to me. However, it's apparently being translated into English, so we may eventually know more. |
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AdamMcLean Member 
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I must try and get a copy of this. It certainly has some powerful images. The artist appears to have some considerable obsession with bleeding eyes and the crucifixion. |
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Mr. la-luna Member 
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papoon wrote: gregory wrote: wrote yesterday - so now impatiantly (and hopefull ) awaiting a positieve reaction. This once will be an interesting adition to my "darker" side of my collection. |
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mythos Member 
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This IS extraordinary and collectible by any standards. I am still in no cash situation and will be for far longer than I care to even think about.... but I add this to my list. ... In hope! One never knows when circumstances might change. Maybe the government might suddenly realise that we disability pensioners NEED desperately to have our lives cushioned by cash for ease. And of course, all manner of four-legged creatures might fly as well. Must watch the hippogrif Harry Potter and dream. mythos |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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I've got a reply to my mail today - I'm pasting it here: " I was very pleased to hear about your kind interest on my Tarot Card and I can any time mail a copy to you to the address you sent to me in your e-mail. I will soon send a bank account number so you will be able to pay for the card by bank transfer. The price of it is 20 Euros. The German copy is also available upon interest and the English version is just being under translation. Looking forward to hear from you soon, best regards, Vivien Kabar" |
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skad1 Member
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I am going to email today. I hope they take Paypal. |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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I've got mine in the mail a few sec. ago wow i love how they look and feel, even more than what i saw on internet the cards have a real presence a deep and powerfull brooding even dar personality as you may call it! |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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o and for those interested Vivien is at this working on a version of her deck with a companion booklet (to big to ba called a LWB - not enough to be named book ) in English. |
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skad1 Member
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I had really looked forward to getting this deck, It intrigued me! Unfortunately, I am not comfortable with the idea of a bank transfer, plus it's expensive!   |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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skad1 wrote: I had really looked forward to getting this deck, It intrigued me! I don't know how much your bank charges for bank transfers probabely not 100% of the amount - i ordered my deck from Vvien and paid €20 S&H included. |
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AdamMcLean Member
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I received a copy of this deck a few days ago. At least four of the images are based on Vivien Kabar's paintings created as a tribute to the great late 20th century British painter Francis Bacon. I will write to her and see if the whole deck is, in this sense, a tribute to Bacon. Her website, very generously, has a page where you can access images of the paintings used for the tarot deck. http://www.vivienkabar.hu/index.php?page=3&lang=en&details=18 |
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sacredashes Member 
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I was wondering if the artist's e-mail can be posted here or PM'ed to me because I would like to order a copy of this deck too. Its gorgeous and I agree that it has powerful images. Ash |
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papoon Member
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sacredashes wrote:I was wondering if the artist's e-mail can be posted here or PM'ed to me because I would like to order a copy of this deck too. Its gorgeous and I agree that it has powerful images. You can find it at the "Contact" link on her website. |
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sacredashes Member
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Found it. Thanks. |
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AdamMcLean Member
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AdamMcLean wroteI will write to her and see if the whole deck is, in this sense, a tribute to Bacon I have received an email from Vivien Kabar explaining her tarot deck a bit further. They were not meant, after all, to be a tribute to the painter Francis Bacon, since she had never heard of him when she was working on the images. The resemblance was purely coincidental, and after her exhibition she was told that they reminded people of Bacon’s vision, and for this apparent similarity she received an award. The gallery wants to label her with this style, but rather she wants people to recognise her own style and vision. Last edited on Thu Nov 13th, 2008 10:29 pm by AdamMcLean |
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gregory Administrator
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Mr. la-luna wrote: skad1 wrote:I had really looked forward to getting this deck, It intrigued me! The MINIMUM charge for a bank transfer to another country from the UK is £20.... |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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gregory wrote: Mr. la-luna wrote:skad1 wrote:I had really looked forward to getting this deck, It intrigued me! Wow  - UK and USA banks really realy big chargers (even bigger thieves than here) I pay the fee for a domestic payment what free of extra charge.Last edited on Fri Nov 14th, 2008 07:13 pm by Mr. la-luna |
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gregory Administrator
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IBAN is wonderful - as long as you are in the Eurozone. And I bet if the UK ever is (which I wish for most fervently) they will still find a way to charge that much. WICKED. I can RECEIVE money by IBAN free of charge. I send "carefully concealed cash" myself ! |
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nicole Member
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gregory wrote:
I wrap my cash carefully in cocaine as to throw off the thieves ...  |
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AdamMcLean Member
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Vivien Kabar has informed me that she has now set up a Paypal account to make it easier for people to buy her tarot deck. You can contact her on kabarvivien@yahoo.com which is also her Paypal address. Her deck is well worth buying, both because of the power of her imagery and for the fact that this is a rare production issuing from Hungary. I am sure most serious collectors will not want to miss this one. |
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Mr. la-luna Member
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There will also be a version of the deck with LWB in English but only (probably), Vivien hopes that it will be ready in the end of Januar |
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gregory Administrator
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la-luna - thanks for all your help; mine is now on the way  |
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rylla Member 
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Hi, I'm relatively new to this forum and I just saw these postings; since I am Hungarian, if anyone needs help with this language (or Romanian as well) in the future just let me know. Rylla |
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AdamMcLean Member
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The English version of the documentation is now available. I received this a week or so ago as a pdf. |
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gregory Administrator
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YAY ! Did you have to ask ? (or to put it another way - are you allowed to send it on ?) |
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AdamMcLean Member
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She sent it to me. It can be printed out to make a booklet. I expect she will include in with future orders from English speakers. Perhaps If you have bought a copy she might email you the pdf. |
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gregory Administrator
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IF I have bought a copy ??? I shall email her at once !! Thanks. |
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Vivien Kabar Member 
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Dear friends! I have good news for all of you! The English translation of my Tarot book is ready. Soon it will be available in printed and in digital (pdf) version. All, who have ordered Cards from me, please let me know again your e-mail, and I will send the English translation in pdf version! Please excuse for the delay. Best regards: Vivien Kabar (Kabar Tarot) |
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Vivien Kabar Member
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And here a sample from the translation!
The Judge This card is often called “The Last Judgement”, but I think in this case it is best if we do not us the word “last”, since we are inside the empire of eternity, where our actions are constantly judged, which comes in the form of their consequences, since what else could be judgement than the results of our actions. This card means that we have to account for the past we have left behind, because we need to see clearly in order to achieve fulfilment. We have to learn to accept and hold our pains, sufferings and fears in our arms in order to understand that they are also parts of us in the whole. We can only move further if we become accepting, once we have obtained understanding. We must accept our pasts, since they make the path towards the future. Everybody will reach their goals at some time, but everybody takes a different route, this is what makes us unique and interesting. We must become friends with our personal history in order to be able to release it and through this release we can arrive at a way of stepping further, towards the fulfilment of our destiny that gives meaning to all our previous tests, trials and efforts. The Judge judges impersonally, she does not have any partiality in her, therefore her responsibility is none other than the quality of the Path. The impersonality overcomes the incomplete perspectives of the spirit that is locked in the body; therefore The Judge never makes a mistake! Now we can get the honorarium for what we have done up until now, everybody according to their efforts… …because everything we have ever done will once look back on us… |
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