1. Do a 22 card deck. If we keep it small I can do it again. (with maybe someone as an assistant????)
2. A 78 card deck. Someone else manages the card collection, and formatting. I can handle getting it printed, and I can ship the decks to whomever will do the mailing to everyone else.
3. Skip 2011
4. Other, discussion needed.
Last edited on Mon Jan 17th, 2011 06:44 pm by skad1
I would prefer a 78 card deck. But I do understand as well if we go for 22 or skip one year. But if we do make a deck, can I already take the dibs on the Empress this time around? She has been in my mind for a few years already and needs to come out to play.
I would like NOT to have a "unifying element" by the way - especially as one of our star artists (in my not very humble opinion) will not be in if there is one.
Also because - well let's face it at least one person last time completely ignored it and got away with it.... so what was the point ?
But - really - DO we have to have one ? It can really stifle a good idea at times (I well recall the suffering and the plonking of a line on a card that really didn't LIKE it being there, last year !
I would rather also not have a unifying element. The 2009 deck doesn't have it and it still feels like a coherent deck. And I think it limits the creativity. Just my 2 cents...
So I was one of the people who didn't gripe about the blue line but just to save all the griping about a unifying element, let's don't have one and save everyone the grief. All the fuss annoyed me infinitely more than the blue line itself. And just in case you are reading this and you made a fuss, please be clear, I'm not annoyed at you in the least. It was just the noise about it all. And I would also hate to have any wonderful artistic talent bow out because of something like this.
And how about also - not bothering with FANCY (i.e. "designed") borders and just having them plain - like - ooh ! BOTH the other 78 card ones - and indeed the 22 card one ! That was another delay last year - all this "discussing" ! Sure - this is collaborative, but within that, surely all we need to worry about is size and pixel ratio. Collabrative doesn't have to bethe same as consensus by endless referenda.
If we need ANY sort of "feature" - last year there was passing reference to a landscape oriented deck... That would be something that unified but shouldn't stifle ?
Last year there were 11 votes for a theme in the Final Poll for a Deck Theme, and 7 votes against having a theme at all (although I make that 18 votes altogether rather than the total of 17 stated at the bottom. Clearly either YT or the programmer cannot add correctly).
But more importantly, in the Shall the 2010 deck have a Theme? poll the voting was 14 to 2 for a theme (although again, it looks as though the total stated at the bottom of the poll is wrong).
14 to 2 FOR a theme. Sorry to 'shout', but 'tis a point that should be noted.
I actually would like the idea of a landscape orientated deck. I certainly can work with that. I can work with a theme or a unifying element, but I would rather feel more free and not have it. But I am open to everything. Just not sure my Empress would fit in a theme/unifying element deck, but well.. I will see about that later .
goldenweb wrote: Last year there were 11 votes for a theme in the Final Poll for a Deck Theme, and 7 votes against having a theme at all (although I make that 18 votes altogether rather than the total of 17 stated at the bottom. Clearly either YT or the programmer cannot add correctly).
But more importantly, in the Shall the 2010 deck have a Theme? poll the voting was 14 to 2 for a theme (although again, it looks as though the total stated at the bottom of the poll is wrong).
14 to 2 FOR a theme. Sorry to 'shout', but 'tis a point that should be noted.
Pen
Good point, Pen! And it should be noted. Although I think it should also be noted that a lot of people who did participate in the final deck, never voted in these polls. It is a pity really that not everyone who wants to take part, will vote. That way we would get a more clear picture.
goldenweb wrote: Last year there were 11 votes for a theme in the Final Poll for a Deck Theme, and 7 votes against having a theme at all (although I make that 18 votes altogether rather than the total of 17 stated at the bottom. Clearly either YT or the programmer cannot add correctly).
But more importantly, in the Shall the 2010 deck have a Theme? poll the voting was 14 to 2 for a theme (although again, it looks as though the total stated at the bottom of the poll is wrong).
14 to 2 FOR a theme. Sorry to 'shout', but 'tis a point that should be noted.
Pen
True - but that was last year. And the poll after poll did hold us up from creating. And some people who had already signed up were unhappy and didn't vote. And the MAJORITY VOTE in a single category was against a theme at all. The OP read:
Ok, final chance to help chose the theme.
Which begged the question rather, after all. I wanted no theme from day one, but in the end voted for one of those offered, simply because it was one I could cope with if we ended up with one. I know a couple of others did the same.
And some people did say damn, they had had to add the line afterwards - which begs the question of how much it actually did anything to unify - not to mention the cards that had (or appeared to have, but some definitely had !) no line anyway. And 2009 there was in fact less griping about things - and the deck DID hold together. Ithink the standard borders and titles did that for it.
Pen - do you actually want a theme then ? And would landscape format be one, if so ?
My feeling is that all this is meaning we can't GET CRACKING - and I want to get on with creating cards !
gregory wrote: goldenweb wrote: Last year there were 11 votes for a theme in the Final Poll for a Deck Theme, and 7 votes against having a theme at all (although I make that 18 votes altogether rather than the total of 17 stated at the bottom. Clearly either YT or the programmer cannot add correctly).
But more importantly, in the Shall the 2010 deck have a Theme? poll the voting was 14 to 2 for a theme (although again, it looks as though the total stated at the bottom of the poll is wrong).
14 to 2 FOR a theme. Sorry to 'shout', but 'tis a point that should be noted.
Pen
Pen - do you actually want a theme then ? And would landscape format be one, if so ?
My feeling is that all this is meaning we can't GET CRACKING - and I want to get on with creating cards !
I think the theme makes a deck just that little bit more special. And I honestly can't see what's the least bit challenging or compromising to the artistic vision about something simple like a little star.
Landscape format would certainly be a strong unifying theme, but I could see it causing more dissent than a small symbol in the artwork. On a more personal level it'd mean that I'd have to abandon the idea of using the images I'd create for this year's TCF tarot for a the full deck I'm working on at the moment. Those few cards somehow make the hill seem less steep.
And at least when there's a poll we know where we stand, and there's no argument about who wants/thinks what. Otherwise it's just a few people making decisions for all the others.
Fair enough. I wish Sherry would pop by. I am not happy about setting up a poll at all, without her OK. I said I'd do the browbeating, but the concept/project feels so very much hers.
Mind you - it WILL be only a few people thing, whatever happens - as few bothered to vote at all last year, some voted and didn't take part when they didn't like the result - and so on.
But to quote Sherry from last year's thread, then:
AND what is our common element? we did blue line, how about red star? or gold star? or purple star? the we can use purple as the back color!
Not that I think the element needs to tie to the backs; I would find a star bearable, but not a purple one....
In 2008 and 2009, we just did a collaborative deck and that was it. In 2010, nothing was broken, but we decided to fix it, resulting in some contentious feelings surfacing. Hmmm, let's just do a deck! 78 individual views of artistic expression. Our unifying theme can be the fact that we are members of this forum. Just a thought.
That's sort of what I felt but put rather better. Thanks, Quarkling. But I am going to stay out of planning and just prepare myself for the hassling, now. I will vote as and when, but I wish we could just start creating...
Quarkling wrote: In 2008 and 2009, we just did a collaborative deck and that was it. In 2010, nothing was broken, but we decided to fix it, resulting in some contentious feelings surfacing. Hmmm, let's just do a deck! 78 individual views of artistic expression. Our unifying theme can be the fact that we are members of this forum. Just a thought.
Hmmm, let's just do a deck! 78 individual views of artistic expression. Our unifying theme can be the fact that we are members of this forum.
78 cards, no theme it is
Works for me. I liked the theme idea, but it ended up to more hassle than it was worth. But some of the cards were really neat how they used the blue line.
She has been in my mind for a few years already and needs to come out to play. 
78 cards, no theme it is
